tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post3621003350860108167..comments2024-03-28T10:14:58.693+00:00Comments on The Good the Bad and the Insulting: Female Thor And Fan ShamingBellariushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02652722543111095280noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-1930555707701322552014-07-18T20:34:22.410+01:002014-07-18T20:34:22.410+01:00Agreed. I hope its not another "Elizabeth pav...Agreed. I hope its not another "Elizabeth paving the way for Jack" situation. They released an image yesterday of what unworthy Thor would look like. Thor basically looks the same with an axe in his right hand. He seems to be a simple asgardian warrior, though I do hope he becomes king. Since you mention AvX, that brings up another problem with specifically Marvel latley that I am tired of seeing: heroes fighting heroes because of stupid crap. It does not help that it was written by Bendis, given his tendency to ignore past character histories and personalities to fit the story he wants to tell, which is why we now have magneto-light/asshole Cyclops.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07193435864963242926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-63755210482311899992014-07-18T15:20:41.759+01:002014-07-18T15:20:41.759+01:00I agree with you on everything barring Superior Sp...I agree with you on everything barring Superior Spider-Man (interesting story but I gave up once Peter opted to let a small child die to ensure his own survival), and it is a big problem. It actually reflects a lot on a bigger problem people seem to ignore, that DC and Marvel often go from extremes over the same issue and end up just as bad. DC has far too much editorial management, so Marvel goes for almost none it seems. DC doesn't do nearly enough to change its charters, so Marvel opts to change everything and pander as much towards the cinematic universe as it can. This new Thor could work, but given the direction of their comics I am really worried where this is going to take them in the long run. Especially given the universe just began to get out of the rut Avengers: Disassembled and Civil War started before they began repeating the same problems again with AvX and others.<br /><br />Though,as I mentioned in a previous comment, there is one thing they could seriously do to make this work: Have Thor become king of Asgard again and regain his Rune King powers. It would seem far less like he's been thrown to the dogs over this and many of his best stories of late have been when he held total authority over Asgard. It would help to open up more story opportunities for both characters as a result.Bellariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02652722543111095280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-50343995429551950982014-07-18T00:26:59.545+01:002014-07-18T00:26:59.545+01:00I agree with everything you have said. While there...I agree with everything you have said. While there have been a few changes Marvel has made in their NOW line-up that I have liked ( Ms Marvel) stuff like killing off Wolverine, Superior Spider-Man, and now this comes off as change for the sake of change and to be edgy. Now, I am still going to give this new Thor character a chance, since Marvel has said that she is supposedly knows Thor in some way and I have no idea specifically how Thor is going to become "unworthy".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07193435864963242926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-86868373401083561092014-07-17T15:54:24.146+01:002014-07-17T15:54:24.146+01:00I don't get it how they don't realize just...I don't get it how they don't realize just how much is this insulting to women.<br /><br />Thor is a person. God of Thunder is a title, function if you will. <br />Steve Rogers is a person. Captain America is his title. Rank if you will. Secret Identity.<br /><br />Replacing Cap with a female character and calling her Captain America would not be an issue.<br />Now imagine calling her Steve Rogers.<br /><br />Not She-Steve. Not Lady Rogers. Not Sally. Steve Rogers of the Marvel Universe.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11390452704978015880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-56829099208262425022014-07-17T11:35:11.363+01:002014-07-17T11:35:11.363+01:00Well, honestly I think most supposedly stagnant Ma...Well, honestly I think most supposedly stagnant Marvel characters among the big names aren't that stagnant. Iron Man underwent some big changes becoming director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (though that had to be retconned thanks to how poorly handled it was) and has joined other teams. Steve Rogers gave up being Captain America entirely and entered more black ops operations instead. Thor meanwhile had to find ways to bring back his entire species after Ragnarok and Asgard was moved to Earth. Those are just a few of the minor changes. So, even trying to claim that it's to avoid stagnation doesn't really stick because there are still plenty of stories to be told with him.<br /><br />The other problem is the fact that they seem to be going about this the wrong way. Marvel is pushing to change EVERYTHING it ca, trying to force Cyclops into being a villain, killing off Wolverine, having a black Captain America and now this with Thor. The problem is it's so forced and shoved into the comic few changes are being done with any respect for the characters, and they're just up and replacing them. I'm honestly kind of being reminded of how mishandled Kyle Rayner becoming Green Lantern was, with DC killing off Hal after disgracing him in the eyes of everyone so he would not be missed. Then even managing to screw that up.<br /><br />That said, if this is an opportunity to have Thor take back his Rune King powers rather than simply thrown to the dogs that would be something.Bellariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02652722543111095280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-40688291555536165952014-07-17T04:46:23.820+01:002014-07-17T04:46:23.820+01:00This is... interesting to say the least, I'm n...This is... interesting to say the least, I'm not sure why they felt the need to change this, but I'm almost always fine with character changes, regardless of what they are, the only thing I'm really opposed to is if I hate the reason behind the change, for example, I dislike Marvel killing off Wolverine because it reinforces the idea that the only way characters can have any sort of retirement is to die, we've already been over that, I hated one more day, not because of any in-comic reason, but because I thought it was a selfish (and very stupid) move on the part of Joe Quesada (I think is his name) who thought married people can't have drama and wanted the stories to go back to the way they were when he was younger. I hated how Superman killed Zod in Man of Steel, not because I think Superman shouldn't kill, but because I thought the reason they made the scene was terrible (the reason being "modernization" and "just because we wanted him to").<br /><br />So I don't hate this change immediately, I just find it odd, and I think I'll only really change my opinion one way or the other if the creative team behind it says something smart, like saying they want to change a character that's remained stagnant for a very long time and can then tell new stories, or something stupid like that misogynist comment again.grdaathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722216755745063033noreply@blogger.com