tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post3015373553633531083..comments2024-03-28T10:14:58.693+00:00Comments on The Good the Bad and the Insulting: Warhammer: The End Times Was A Failure From The StartBellariushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02652722543111095280noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-80091309581904667892015-06-03T10:28:51.214+01:002015-06-03T10:28:51.214+01:00So here's the link for anybody who's curio...So here's the link for anybody who's curious: https://www.facebook.com/mengelminiatures/photos/pcb.820331608016300/820331418016319/?type=1<br /><br />That link goes specifically to the quotes I was talking about, and here's a link to the facbook group who posted the picture and will most likely be coming out with reliable information in the future: https://www.facebook.com/mengelminiaturesgrdaathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722216755745063033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-86153632345150081992015-06-03T10:04:57.796+01:002015-06-03T10:04:57.796+01:00That's pretty much what they tried to do with ...That's pretty much what they tried to do with the Storm of Chaos campaign, before 7th edition (and even at the start of 7th) they did make a genuine effort to have an evolving world.<br /><br />Let's look at Josef Bugman as a quick example of this, he's known for hunting down Greenskins since they killed his family and destroyed his brewery, but that was the result of actual games, the fluff changed to reflect the goblins winning. <br /><br />This was also what they planned to do for Storm of Chaos but the Chaos armies couldn't even get out of their starting zone because they lost every single meaningful game except for some of the more "neutral" parties that were on their side because there was nowhere else to put them (and even then they didn't win much). They even had the "add a new unit idea" but then they never did that type of event again because they decided to start backtracking with the story (which is why all the late 7th edition and the 8th edition books pretend that Storm of Chaos didn't happen, and the early 7th edition books act as if it did).grdaathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722216755745063033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-32064488684092781082015-06-03T09:59:12.397+01:002015-06-03T09:59:12.397+01:00So it turns out that they actually aren't goin...So it turns out that they actually aren't going to kill off Fantasy after all, I guess they just really wanted to turn it into something else, there's already pictures floating around of a book called "Age of Sigmar" which is supposedly housing a scaled down version of the new rulebook as well as catching everyone up on the new world (apparently the new edition starts up right after The End Times leaves off).<br /><br />I'm going to post a reply to this comment with a link to what I'm talking about, since the first time I tried to leave a link (way back when I mentioned a horror movie website) this comment section had a heart attack and I couldn't post anything for a bit, so I'd rather leave a comment, then try to leave a link.<br /><br />All that's really certain about the new setting is that the Lizardmen survived, other groups are hinted at having escaped (most likely the Wood Elf and Bretonnian group), Nagash, or at least the undead in general are questioned to be gone, and then there's the reference to people being lost in the void, which could refer to the High Elf leaders, Sigmar and Archaon, or maybe just Sigmar and Archaon since they are the only two known for sure to have fallen into the void. Then the quote "to what does he cling?" Is most likely referring to Sigmar since it's called Age of Sigmar and supposedly somebody who was once a man grabbed the last remnants of the Warhammer world.<br /><br />That's all we know lorewise, I'll wait on commenting on what they do with the models until we know more.grdaathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722216755745063033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-46095628775682703372015-06-01T20:48:49.436+01:002015-06-01T20:48:49.436+01:00You know, the really sad thing is that, if they...You know, the really sad thing is that, if they'd gone to the trouble of having an actual advancing storyline, we probably wouldn't have needed the End Times at all.<br /><br />Instead of just having the world end, maybe we could have had a Campaign where Archon begins pushing southward, with player results tallying together to see how far he get's; if the "Chaos" side wins, Archon's Horde sacks most of Kislev, if the "Order" side wins he's stopped at Praag.<br /><br />This get's added on to the Canon afterwards, with the Empire and Chaos getting a new unit each out of it, so that GW will have something more to sell afterwards (since that seems so important to them).<br /><br />Then you rinse and repeat, switching up the factions facing each other; Orcs VS Dwarfs; High- VS Dark Elves; Lizardmen VS Skaven, etc.<br /><br />We could have had a continually evolving world... but instead, screw it! Hit the History Eraser Button!Buzzkillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09249135776018420369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1831276194138109948.post-39245975435733918232015-05-24T07:09:47.045+01:002015-05-24T07:09:47.045+01:00I figured an article like this would come sooner o...I figured an article like this would come sooner or later. I don't mind people being against The End Times because it's very obvious why it's so divisive, so I'll just go over a few points:<br /><br />"Chaos wins and that's that. The players are given no option to voice their opinion, change the outcome of these events or even shift how certain ones play out. "<br />Actually in the final book that's not the case (though it's still a good criticism of the earlier books), when the players are going through the campaign they are given a few ways the campaign could differ from the official material and the book highly recommends that you do what you want with the setting, even if it's ignoring the event entirely, saying that even if it's the official way the world ends doesn't mean it has to be the way your Warhammer world ends (paraphrased).<br /><br />Keep in mind nothing's forcing people to play in The End Times. You say "both are mired in the final years of their timeline" but that's not really true. Warhammer Fantasy isn't like 40K where it's locked to the 41'st millenium, the fights happen whenever and however the players want, which is why Archaon can find himself fighting characters who died hundreds of years before he was even born.<br /><br />"What is now the incentive... "<br />Because you don't have to play in a universe that has things like Chaos Warriors/Daemons or even Chaos in it at all (and it's far easier to do that in Fantasy than 40K). This is also why in the Horus Heresy Army Books they say players shouldn't have any problems with characters (even in campaigns) doing what they didn't in the fluff (the example they give is Fulgrim remaining loyal), they say the campaign should just be altered accordingly, and that's also what can happen in the final End Times campaign.<br /><br />"Imagine for a moment a setting where Chaos is dominant..."<br /><br />No offence meant but I can tell you're not (or didn't use to be) a Warhammer Fantasy player as that actually was the setting for 6th edition. The Empire was very divided because the cities were essentially island in a sea of forest that were teeming with Beastmen, even with Karl Franz trying to unite them they were stuck in cities as Beastmen could be upon them when they were so much as out of sight of the cities.<br /><br />The High Elves were barely holding their islands, to the point that Grom the Paunch with a comparatively small WAAAGH! Managed to conquer large portion of Ulthuan, not to mention the Dark Elves were constantly at their throats and at the time worshipped Slaanesh.<br /><br />The Wood Elves found themselves constantly battling against the Beastmen that lived in the same forests, one of whom (called Malagor) mutated and corrupted everything near him to be a horrible creation of chaos. This also includes warping the forests into being horrible Wood Elf-devouring tree monsters and he's immortal, any time they somehow destroyed his physical body he'd just be reborn somewhere else at a later date and start corrupting the trees there.<br /><br />As for the Dwarfs, that's pretty much exactly what happened. The dwarfs were down to 7 holds out of 17 and were still getting pushed back at an alarming rate by the Greenskins, Skaven, and Chaos when they had established holds up north.<br /><br />Now the reason I'm fine with the setting being given an ending (aside from the fact that you don't have to use their ending) is because I don't want it to be milked for all it's worth for every edition afterwards. I'd really rather not have them keep coming out with the next best monster/unit you just have to have because the very expensive underpriced box is also very underpriced points wise and you need it if you want a competitive list.grdaathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00722216755745063033noreply@blogger.com